bulls/raptors deal

[I Quit Cos I Got Raped]

champs said:

At least get what? Have you seen some of the players selected deep in the first round? They almost always amount to nothing of significance. Even if you didn't want him, don't advertise that he's available for a first round draft choice. You're rebuilding. You're not going to win anytime soon....take your time and find the right offer. Tinsley could've gotten you more than this. When his contract runs out, he's 31....what's your point? By then, you'd have your youth and you'd be set at an extremely important position with Tinsley. He distributes the ball well and is an excellent defender. Why not keep him and build the rest of your team around him rather than give him away for almost nothing? Who says you have to give him a long term contract? You have his bird rights. If you lose him, so what? You'll save the 2 mil in cap you're taking on from this first round pick you're recieving. Wanna know what types of players are available late in the first round? Take a look at Rodney Carney. It took Raza quite a bit of time to get rid of his contract....and it was a rookie contract.

I dont get why some GMs dont mind thier own business and worry about thier own teams but anyway Tinsley is a good pg no question but if I keep him I will win 35-40 games and get a pick from 16-18 and remain a 35-40 win team for 3 more seasons due to cap and crappy picks.This way I can get rid of everyone and start fresh with young players like Marcus Williams who if gets better defense will be a top player in the NBA no question. Are there less talented players from pick 25-30 yeah there are but thats why there are scouting reports and stuff. Plus there are always teams that want to move into the first round and you can trade those late firsts for future 1sts.

[champs]

You don't get why people don't mind their business?

Well, I don't get why GM's don't think their trades through. I don't get why GM's make moves that make their teams significantly worse without reasoning. The reasons you provided for completing this trade makes no sense. You rushed the trade and got raped. You don't trade a top PG for a late first round draft choice. I value the point guard position more than any other position, possibly with the exception of a nice center. Having a point guard that defends, handles the ball and can consistantly run an effective offense aren't easy to find. You just gave one away without thinking twice. So yeah, I won't be minding my business when people begin to give players away...especially since the GM just started the league.

[I Quit Cos I Got Raped]

champs said:

You don't get why people don't mind their business?

Well, I don't get why GM's don't think their trades through. I don't get why GM's make moves that make their teams significantly worse without reasoning. The reasons you provided for completing this trade makes no sense. You rushed the trade and got raped. You don't trade a top PG for a late first round draft choice. I value the point guard position more than any other position, possibly with the exception of a nice center. Having a point guard that defends, handles the ball and can consistantly run an effective offense aren't easy to find. You just gave one away without thinking twice. So yeah, I won't be minding my business when people begin to give players away...especially since the GM just started the league.

There is no point of having a PG like Tinsley that is going to require an extention in a few seasons especially when this team isnt ready to compete I would just be wasting money on a lost cause. OJ Mayo and Tywon Lawson are both point guards who will go 1 and 3. I will more then likely have a top three pick so I will possibly be able to get one. If I do then I can build around him and williams and possibly Redd I understand what you are saying 100% but in the long run in 3 years Tinsley will be 32 on the down side of his career with 2-3 years left on a contract. Im better off now grooming a PG within the next year or two so in 3-4 years we can contend for a title. I dont want to rush the rebuilding stage like most GMs do. I have been in many sims where people rush rebuilding in 2 years and are right back to where they started. In the previous sim I was in I made moves just like this and in 3 years I had the team I wanted and we went to the finals, all the players were under 26 years old. Tinsley is a great pg no question but without a true C,PF Tinsley would just be wasting away his years and my money.

[champs]

Alright I trust what you're trying to do, I just think if you waited a little more....you could've gotten a lot more considering how valuable a player like Tinsley may be to a team lacking a true Point Guard. Even if you just wanted a first round pick for him, you could've gotten a better pick. The Heat are currently the best team in the East. Anyways, I'll stop...and I won't question your motif for this trade anymore.

[I Quit Cos I Got Raped]

Trust me I looked at each teams roster twice and everyone I talked wasnt willing to deal a high 1st.

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and tinsley is a hard bitch to trade i had to settle for a future first

[champs]

lol, that's the problem.

"settling"

[Raza]

you know, when Tinsley is 32 and perhaps on the down side of his career, he is not gonna command that much on the open market. You could get him back for cheap, if you had his bird rights. When I had Sam Cassell for the first couple years, I kept him through his contract and then signed him back, relatively cheap compared to the player he was...of course he retired before playing the second year of his new contract.

Look at Chauncey Billups...he didn't even sign a contract until after free agency.

I know you want to lose games, but I'm just saying cuz you were sayin you didn't want give him an extension at that point when it could be very economical to do so.

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champs said:

lol, that's the problem.

"settling"

nothing wrong with settling i settle all the time but in the end its better for my team

[Matt]

yes he got raped but he got what he could, which is whats best for his rebuilding process.
champs mind ure own buisness and let him handle his own team.

i would have gavin more for tinsley without a doubt but i couldnt match contracts. If he didnt trade him it would be very stupid so he whats right for the future.

[joer625]

yeah he is gonan start getting worse soon and is sorta old, but i figure that in one more yr, after letting my 4 youngins get better he cud be jsut what i need...

ppl overvalue picks nowadays

[Matt]

that is very true that is why i dont have any picks and joe u deff got teh better of teh deal, but i understand why dmiles did this. I mean i kinda did the same when i trade francis peja magloire gooden and rdavis. when u rebuild u lose talent that is gunna help u know but in the long run it will work out

[infamousdane]

razaz15 said:

you know, when Tinsley is 32 and perhaps on the down side of his career, he is not gonna command that much on the open market. You could get him back for cheap, if you had his bird rights. When I had Sam Cassell for the first couple years, I kept him through his contract and then signed him back, relatively cheap compared to the player he was...of course he retired before playing the second year of his new contract.

Look at Chauncey Billups...he didn't even sign a contract until after free agency.

I know you want to lose games, but I'm just saying cuz you were sayin you didn't want give him an extension at that point when it could be very economical to do so.

Yea but thats like saying you gave up a ton for Jason Terry correct?

[champs]

He gave expiring and a first for Terry....how did he give up a ton? Terry is also a very solid player.

[infamousdane]

O SHIT.. I thought they were a big time lotto team.. changed up quickly